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WaPo closes comments after two weeks so I'm compulsively responding to <span class="plainlinks">[http://meansofproduction.biz/images/WaPoEJDKapitalismus.jpg this reply] to my comment on E.J. Dionne's article [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/capitalists-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders/2015/12/27/e16ebaa0-ab2b-11e5-bff5-905b92f5f94b_story.html ''Capitalists should listen to Bernie Sanders'']</span>. | WaPo closes comments after two weeks so I'm compulsively responding to <span class="plainlinks">[http://meansofproduction.biz/images/WaPoEJDKapitalismus.jpg this reply] to my comment on E.J. Dionne's article [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/capitalists-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders/2015/12/27/e16ebaa0-ab2b-11e5-bff5-905b92f5f94b_story.html ''Capitalists should listen to Bernie Sanders'']</span>. | ||
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In another place I will comment on the careful use of language, but yes that's right, that's a main sense of the term "Capitalist". It's also true of course that I would be committing a fallacy of composition if I asserted that the owner of a factor of a thing was the owner of the thing. It's also true there is no cheat or exploitation when labor is fairly compensated for its factor in production, by established market values, presuming those market values are in fact fair.</p><p> | In another place I will comment on the careful use of language, but yes that's right, that's a main sense of the term "Capitalist". It's also true of course that I would be committing a fallacy of composition if I asserted that the owner of a factor of a thing was the owner of the thing. It's also true there is no cheat or exploitation when labor is fairly compensated for its factor in production, by established market values, presuming those market values are in fact fair.</p><p> | ||
However as Marx and Marxists will explain, the essence of this system is 1) the expropriation of the [[:en:surplus value]] (which is called "profit") in the struck price of the house or car and 2) the [[:en:Base and superstructure|basing]] of all production and indeed all of society on this scheme of expropriation, as an "ism" (cf Heilbroner, ''Nature of Capitalism'').</p><p> | However as Marx and Marxists will explain, the essence of this system is 1) the expropriation of the [[:en:surplus value]] (which is called "profit") in the struck price of the house or car and 2) the [[:en:Base and superstructure|basing]] of all production and indeed all of society on this scheme of expropriation, as an "ism" (cf Heilbroner, ''Nature of Capitalism'').</p><p> | ||
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<p>When labor is relatively simple and easily commodified such as in manufacturing line workers the model can work fairly well. However when such commodification is impossible as for example in the intellectual worker, or when collective interests can't be reduced to individual gain the system fails and blocks needed responses.</p> | <p>When labor is relatively simple and easily commodified such as in manufacturing line workers the model can work fairly well. However when such commodification is impossible as for example in the intellectual worker, or when collective interests can't be reduced to individual gain the system fails and blocks needed responses.</p> | ||
Excellent as an economic regime under enlightened leadership as the Chinese Communist Party has shown and was the case here [[:en:Golden Age of Capitalism|when]] it was in planetary opposition.<p> | Excellent as an economic regime under enlightened leadership as the Chinese Communist Party has shown and was the case here [[:en:Golden Age of Capitalism|when]] it was in planetary opposition.<p> | ||
A <strike>disaster</strike> qualified success for some at best as a basis for [[:en:society]] per se. | A <strike>disaster</strike> qualified success for some at best as a basis for [[:en:society]] per se.</p> | ||
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[[User:Lycurgus|Lycurgus]] ([[User talk:Lycurgus#top|talk]]) 21:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC) | [[User:Lycurgus|Lycurgus]] ([[User talk:Lycurgus#top|talk]]) 21:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC) | ||
== [[:en:Master-slave_dialectic#Hegel.27s_myth|A Religious Definition of Communisms]] == | == [[:en:Master-slave_dialectic#Hegel.27s_myth|A Religious Definition of Communisms]] == | ||
